Joan Tollifson Experiencing This Moment

Joan Tollifson Experiencing This Moment


so can you talk a little bit about that
process for you kind of settling in and accepting you know in your book you talk
about that a bit to just what is it that’s happening right now and and this
is it this is what’s going on and how how you’ve worked with that yeah
well I mean first of all we really have no choice I mean we can resist but but
it doesn’t really do anything except make it worse as we begin to discover so
you know for me my spiritual path and everyone’s is different but but really
is about being this moment being with whatever’s here and by being with it I
mean I don’t mean thinking about it but really just completely experiencing it
and not that I consciously sit around complete like when I was going through
the cancer treatment it was excruciating ly painful some of the time I mean my
intervals and Amos were being really burnt and painful and you know I didn’t
spend every moment delete you know consciously feeling into that I watched
movies at TV you know did things also to you know distract myself from the pain
which I think is perfectly legitimate um you know so but but basically so I just
want to clarify because sometimes people get the idea that you know you’re not
supposed to do anything like that you just have to be with the pain constantly
where there’s a spiritual gold star if we can be present with it all the time
yeah we’re back to the self improvement model you know where where spirituality
is this goal you know I’m trying to be completely free of all thoughts free of
all troubling emotions you know you never distracted never never disturb you
know just kind of in the state of perpetual bliss and then of course we
fail and yeah you feel like we’re not a very good at this we don’t family so to
me it’s just being with all of that and I think kind of over time that goal of
perfection falls away at least if you’re lucky and you’re willing to just be with
the actuality of how it is and and that includes the transcendent perspective of
the you know the space in which it’s all happening or the vast hole
of everything but not the kind of transcendence that that denies the body
or the everyday or or the the reality of you know to me it’s about really feeling
the energy in the body feeling the sensations being this moment hearing the
airplane smelling the rose you know tasting the copy it’s not about
leaving all that behind but yes seeing it in a bigger
perspective at the same time which is the transcendent you know seeing it in
this bigger context and and when you go right to the heart of it actually when
you go right to the heart of any sensation
what do you find I mean you find space openness nothing so you kind of get to
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